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Introducing 'The Wise Unknown'

Some of the country’s favorite actors, activists, and authors introduce listeners to the “wisest person no one has ever heard of” who they credit with being critical to their success in life. Host...

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W.Kamau Bell and Dwayne Kennedy

W. Kamau Bell introduces Courtney to Dwayne Kennedy, a favorite comedian of people like Marc Maron and Chris Rock - so why hasn’t Dwayne ever “made it big?”

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Samin Nosrat and Twilight Greenaway

Courtney talks to chef Samin Nosrat, who unabashedly pursued the limelight, and her often prophetic bestie, journalist Twilight Greenaway, who has consistently shied away from it.

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Adam Grant and Bernard Chang

Beloved work guru Adam Grant introduces Courtney to the graduate instructor that changed everything for him.

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Ai-jen Poo & Joyce Johnson

MacArthur genius and labor organizer Ai-jen introduces Courtney to under-the-radar Civil Rights hero, Joyce Johnson.

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Ashley Judd and Ted Klontz

Ashley introduces Courtney to the man who helped her find her courage as she blew open the Harvey Weinstein case.

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Rosario Dawson & Idalia Rodriguez

Renaissance woman Rosario introduces Courtney to her multi-hyphenate, straight-talkin’ bestie.

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Isabel Allende & Lori Barra

Larger-than-life bestselling novelist Isabel introduces Courtney to a remarkably understated photographer and very patient daughter-in-law, Lori.

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Courtney Martin and Golda Arthur wrap the series

Courtney and Golda talk about how the series was created, look back at some memorable moments from our guests, and hear from listeners. Plus, stay tuned for how you can get your hands on the Wise...

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